[champy1013]

Anyone watch this movie?
https://www.gaslandthemovie.com/

Maddening. If they approve fracking I might just resort to eco-terrorism. ****ing ridiculous what these oil companies get away with. and f*** DICK CHENEY.

[hobkyl]

I've seen clips of it. Josh Fox isn't the most reliable source of information.


http://washingtonexaminer.com/2011/05/gasland-lies-put-plentiful-fuel-risk/39907

[champy1013]

I've seen clips of it. Josh Fox isn't the most reliable source of information.


http://washingtonexaminer.com/2011/05/gasland-lies-put-plentiful-fuel-risk/39907

The Examiner? LOL. Is one commentary by a right-wing pundit suppose to disprove the documentary?

[champy1013]

Point by point rebuttals of the the right wing "claims"
http://1trickpony.cachefly.net/gas/pdf/ ... t_2010.pdf

[hobkyl]

The Examiner is just one of many sources that refute the claims made in the movie. I just picked the first thing that came up and linked it. There are many sources to include enviornmentalists who say that the "facts" portrayed in the movie are false and/or misleading.

[champy1013]

The Examiner is just one of many sources that refute the claims made in the movie. I just picked the first thing that came up and linked it. There are many sources to include enviornmentalists who say that the "facts" portrayed in the movie are false and/or misleading.

Oh yea? Well please share. Pumping millions of gallons of water 8,000 feet into the ground combined with chemicals that are known carcinogens next to water supplies is plain stupid. Couple that with the fact that the pumps and evaporators are exempt from the Clean Air and Clean Water Act (thanks to the Halliburton loophole) and you have to be a moron to support fracking in any way shape or form.

[Brenda]

I'm with you Matt. Many of the towns around me are passing bans, but I fear that my own may not. There are a number of people out here who would be easily lured by the promise of big money. I've already told Mike that I'd move to Skaneateles if that happened--even though we'd only be able to afford a refrigerator box there.

[champy1013]

I'm with you Matt. Many of the towns around me are passing bans, but I fear that my own may not. There are a number of people out here who would be easily lured by the promise of big money. I've already told Mike that I'd move to Skaneateles if that happened--even though we'd only be able to afford a refrigerator box there.

Yea - that's what I'm scared of - people selling out for a quick buck, no thought to the future. Frankly I'm surprised it would even be a discussion on here. How could you love gorges, glens, and waterfalls and be FOR fracking?

[Brenda]

I have wondered the same thing. I started a topic in the Finger Lakes forums awhile back and I had the same response/reaction. We're also battling a proposed LPG storage facility on the west side of Seneca Lake. I think that people tend to be pretty passive about it until their land/livelihood is at risk.

[hobkyl]

Guess I'm a moron then. I took the time to review both sides of the argument, and this has already been discussed extensively in the Fracking thread, no sense in rehashing it. There are always two sides to the story. While there may be negative enviornmental impacts, (which hard evidence is scarce for) my point in my reply was that I wouldn't promote Gasland as gospel on the subject.

[champy1013]

Guess I'm a moron then. I took the time to review both sides of the argument, and this has already been discussed extensively in the Fracking thread, no sense in rehashing it. There are always two sides to the story. While there may be negative enviornmental impacts, (which hard evidence is scarce for) my point in my reply was that I wouldn't promote Gasland as gospel on the subject.

Guess so. Quit repeating that there is no hard evidence of environmental impacts. Outright lie. EPA and big business happily in bed together.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/09/news/ec ... /index.htm
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 46232.html

[Brenda]

Hey Matt, if all else fails we can move to VT (as opposed to ending up in prison )! Vermont first state to ban fracking

[champy1013]

Vermont is awesome for a lot of reasons. Nice place too. Good they actually have the foresight to not destroy their own ****ing backyard.

[Brenda]

Vermont is awesome for a lot of reasons. Nice place too. Good they actually have the foresight to not destroy their own ****ing backyard.

Back when I worked for the US Forest Service, I spent a good deal of time up in VT and it is quite beautiful. If we were ever to leave NY it would definitely be an option. I know that if fracking is allowed in our area, we won't stay. The bitch of it is that there are people in areas where fracking is allowed who would like to leave but they can't sell because their water is no longer potable.

[hobkyl]

Guess so. Quit repeating that there is no hard evidence of environmental impacts. Outright lie. EPA and big business happily in bed together.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/09/news/ec ... /index.htm
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 46232.html

I find it maddening that you threaten to resort to eco terrorism based on a half truth documentary by someone with no expert knowledge on the subject. A person who also is willing to fake credentials and resist arrest when caught trying to do so. Or that only after watching it did you become so outraged about a debate that has been played out for several years.

Outright lie? The articles you posted (both are the same story) say...

"In a statement released on Thursday, the EPA said a study had found that groundwater in an aquifer around Pavillion, Wyoming, contained "compounds likely associated with gas production practices, including hydraulic fracturing."

"The EPA was careful to note that its findings "are specific to Pavillion" and are not applicable to fracking projects all over the country. Natural gas, the agency added, "plays a key role in our nation's clean energy future."

You call that hard facts

Is this isolated incident even true?

http://epaabuse.com/6321/news/is-the-epa-just-sloppy-or-cooking-the-books/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/09/usa-epa-fracking-idUSL2E8E9ASA20120309

EPA and big business happily in bed together.

..Yet the article says that the EPA is questioning the possibility of contaminents in the drinking water supply.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/12/column-fracking-risks-idUSL6E7NC2RL20111212

I believe that fracking can be done in a way that does not jeopardize our enviornment. Truth is, no one side can ensure that their claims are true, because studies have not been in place long enough. There are some blips (very mintue)that have occured and everyone cries foul. Are there not the same spills and negative impacts caused by all other forms of energy production? Until 100% clean energy is a reality (good luck waiting for that to occur), fossil fuels will be exploited. Mother Earth is very resilient, and until there is some serious evidence that this was caused by the process and not by the people or regulations in place, I am in favor of it. Yes, I know I am a moron for having different views than yourself.

I'm sure you don't care because you are now an expert on the subject after watching Gasland and posting a debunked claim, but here are just a few as you requested. That is, if these sources are reliable enough to your standards.

http://www.citizen.co.za/citizen/content/en/citizen/opinion-columnists?oid=269595&sn=Detail&pid=146827&Fracking-hysteria-misguided

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/facing_frack_hysteria_PWwcCDKjR1BxHCVNDT7ARO

http://keeptapwatersafe.org/2012/02/13/john-hangers-hysteria-and-the-search-for-common-ground/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2012/05/08/why-anti-fracking-groups-are-shifting-their-story-from-water-to-air-quality/

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/02/06/no_fracking_isnt_scary